Comments on: Drama? Me? http://nightravyn.com/blog/2008/08/08/drama-me/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:01:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Stupid Mage http://nightravyn.com/blog/2008/08/08/drama-me/comment-page-1/#comment-457 Stupid Mage Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:20:45 +0000 http://nightravyn.com/blog/?p=140#comment-457 I agree that there are loot problems but without the really random way that loot is generated now, then people will have incentive to keep running certain instances over and over again. Progression will go faster than Blizzard wants it to as there will be more pressure to make more content for those that already blew through it. ** As a side note, the neato thing about your posts now? I can hear your voice talking in my head as I read along, thanks to Twisted Nether. I agree that there are loot problems but without the really random way that loot is generated now, then people will have incentive to keep running certain instances over and over again. Progression will go faster than Blizzard wants it to as there will be more pressure to make more content for those that already blew through it.

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As a side note, the neato thing about your posts now? I can hear your voice talking in my head as I read along, thanks to Twisted Nether.

]]> By: Cambios http://nightravyn.com/blog/2008/08/08/drama-me/comment-page-1/#comment-454 Cambios Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:37:45 +0000 http://nightravyn.com/blog/?p=140#comment-454 This just points out the inherent horrendous flaws in the way loot works in WoW (and most MMOs). The Badge of Justice system represents a far more equitable and sane system. Everyone who kills a boss earns a token. When you earn enough, you get an item. Every time you participate in a kill, you make X% progress. None of this lootwhoring or anything of that nature. Also, if the tokens were specific only to an instance rather than specific only to a boss, you'd get people more interested in fighting ANY bosses in a dungeon rather than only wanting to raid on the nights the boss they need is scheduled. WoW's loot system is horribly flawed. They do nothing about it, and make players soak up the drama, the pain, the suffering, and the discord. -Cambios Blogging about Online Gaming and Virtual Worlds: http://www.muckbeast.com This just points out the inherent horrendous flaws in the way loot works in WoW (and most MMOs).

The Badge of Justice system represents a far more equitable and sane system. Everyone who kills a boss earns a token. When you earn enough, you get an item. Every time you participate in a kill, you make X% progress. None of this lootwhoring or anything of that nature. Also, if the tokens were specific only to an instance rather than specific only to a boss, you’d get people more interested in fighting ANY bosses in a dungeon rather than only wanting to raid on the nights the boss they need is scheduled.

WoW’s loot system is horribly flawed. They do nothing about it, and make players soak up the drama, the pain, the suffering, and the discord.

-Cambios
Blogging about Online Gaming and Virtual Worlds:
http://www.muckbeast.com

]]> By: Cynra http://nightravyn.com/blog/2008/08/08/drama-me/comment-page-1/#comment-452 Cynra Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:55:38 +0000 http://nightravyn.com/blog/?p=140#comment-452 The only way that I can imagine avoiding loot drama is to not raid. Even if you were to pass on every piece of loot unless it was thrust upon you, someone would either get upset when you were awarded an upgrade or someone would start championing on your behalf, thereby causing loot drama in proxy. It's basically a given in any sort of environment where you are competitive and are awarded for your efforts. There's always someone who will feel slighted, even though it might take months for it to occur. Runycat has it right: the best way to avoid drama is to make sure that the rules are explicitly stated up front. Go further and post them somewhere too where they can be date/time stamped as well just to let people know that it's been a long-standing rule. The whole raid should know who is on the council, what they use to judge who gets what loot, and have that clearly listed somewhere in written format. This way, you can avoid the drama that arises from lack of understanding of the loot rules. That said, it's disappointing that people got upset when the rules were clearly known and followed. You won an upgrade; your fellow raiders should be pleased for you. It's good to see that you're trying to remain politic with the whole ordeal. You shouldn't shoot yourself in the foot by avoiding future upgrades, but trying to smooth things over, become more involved, and let everyone else know that you're in it for the long run will probably help. The only way that I can imagine avoiding loot drama is to not raid. Even if you were to pass on every piece of loot unless it was thrust upon you, someone would either get upset when you were awarded an upgrade or someone would start championing on your behalf, thereby causing loot drama in proxy. It’s basically a given in any sort of environment where you are competitive and are awarded for your efforts. There’s always someone who will feel slighted, even though it might take months for it to occur.

Runycat has it right: the best way to avoid drama is to make sure that the rules are explicitly stated up front. Go further and post them somewhere too where they can be date/time stamped as well just to let people know that it’s been a long-standing rule. The whole raid should know who is on the council, what they use to judge who gets what loot, and have that clearly listed somewhere in written format. This way, you can avoid the drama that arises from lack of understanding of the loot rules.

That said, it’s disappointing that people got upset when the rules were clearly known and followed. You won an upgrade; your fellow raiders should be pleased for you. It’s good to see that you’re trying to remain politic with the whole ordeal. You shouldn’t shoot yourself in the foot by avoiding future upgrades, but trying to smooth things over, become more involved, and let everyone else know that you’re in it for the long run will probably help.

]]> By: Nightravyn http://nightravyn.com/blog/2008/08/08/drama-me/comment-page-1/#comment-451 Nightravyn Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:33:15 +0000 http://nightravyn.com/blog/?p=140#comment-451 @Runycat The good thing is they did actually implicitly state the rules up front. I think it was more of a case of me having never spoken up for anything before, so it was a shock when I finally did speak up for some. Kinda a "Oh... yeah, someone else might want that. Dammit!" moment more than anything. The raid leaders took it in as good a stride as they could and life shall go on. It was just kinda... jarring after being drama free in that area for so long. ::grin:: @Runycat

The good thing is they did actually implicitly state the rules up front. I think it was more of a case of me having never spoken up for anything before, so it was a shock when I finally did speak up for some. Kinda a “Oh… yeah, someone else might want that. Dammit!” moment more than anything. The raid leaders took it in as good a stride as they could and life shall go on. It was just kinda… jarring after being drama free in that area for so long. ::grin::

]]> By: Runycat http://nightravyn.com/blog/2008/08/08/drama-me/comment-page-1/#comment-447 Runycat Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:41:18 +0000 http://nightravyn.com/blog/?p=140#comment-447 As an addendum, for awhile we were doing bear runs for people in <i>our</i> little guild, and every once in awhile we'd have to take some randoms along--and even if they weren't good, they still came and they therefore had the right to roll on the bear. My fiancee <i>still</i> hasn't gotten one because of that, but we all acknowledge that that's how it is. As an addendum, for awhile we were doing bear runs for people in our little guild, and every once in awhile we’d have to take some randoms along–and even if they weren’t good, they still came and they therefore had the right to roll on the bear. My fiancee still hasn’t gotten one because of that, but we all acknowledge that that’s how it is.

]]> By: Runycat http://nightravyn.com/blog/2008/08/08/drama-me/comment-page-1/#comment-446 Runycat Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:40:21 +0000 http://nightravyn.com/blog/?p=140#comment-446 You can do everything in your power to avoid the ever-ambiguous "drama events" and they'll still crop up regardless. If the loot rules are clearly outlined at the start of each run and you are able to roll on a piece of gear that's a significant upgrade to you, then there's nothing you can do about things if their own guildies start crying about it--and I wouldn't start feeling bad about it either. It's <i>their</i> politics. That being said, if loot rules are <i>not</i> clearly outlined, perhaps you can request that the raid leader make a point in doing it. As long as it's okay, take what you need: you're helping them get where they want to go as well. You can do everything in your power to avoid the ever-ambiguous “drama events” and they’ll still crop up regardless. If the loot rules are clearly outlined at the start of each run and you are able to roll on a piece of gear that’s a significant upgrade to you, then there’s nothing you can do about things if their own guildies start crying about it–and I wouldn’t start feeling bad about it either. It’s their politics. That being said, if loot rules are not clearly outlined, perhaps you can request that the raid leader make a point in doing it. As long as it’s okay, take what you need: you’re helping them get where they want to go as well.

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